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if she didnt send out pics of her in damn lingerie then she wouldnt be getting any gigs

Bobby u know I always respect what you say but I do not agree with that in the slightest. You say you wouldnt be insulted until she compares her self to sef in mixing and u in musical knowledge but doesn’t it offend you that there are so many more talented dj’s who actually work there asses of practicing and giving up so much of there time to become good at what they do but then someone who has there cd’s pre mixed by someone else gets the gigs that these talented dj’s should be getting? Thats wat offends me and the fact that she is trying to fool everyone by doing it. If she admits to everyone and her flyers are marked with “havana will not be playing live she will be pretending to dj” and people still think she’s mad then fine. But all these people who are paying $25 to go see her dont know anything and dont know that they are being taken for a ride and thats why all of us are pissed off. Oh also yes I think someone should totally record her and post on you tube - havana brown playing “live”

AK dont get me wrong - technically there are so many djes better than her, than me, than lots of us, that dont get gigs...Just as there are talented vocallists who dont mine but dont have the commercial success of Britney or dare I say Pussycat dolls. So long as Pussycat dolls dont proclaim themselves the next aretha franlkin (or Mariah Carey for that matter) then all power to them for making it using their talents...(evemn if its notr sings - they are making money having fun miming,cavorting in precious little and have their studio reps produce fun accessible tunes)

Lets take you for example....You are a true student of the art (well done too...) but you are also a fair amount of eye candy....You may make it on both counts but if you were discovered and asked to glam it up dance in front of a stage (or to to a seductive photo shoot for some promo material) dont tell me you wouldnt do it (If I was managing you I would definitely trade on both your DJ skills and your exotic good looks) and if the looks made you a mllionaire and made me 10% and got me a box of you know what - make no mistake I’d go there....

Havana is a well produced well managed well marketed and highly successful product. She fully knows her strengths and weeknesses and trades heavily on her strengths. Even Mariah and George Michael wont be photographed on certain sides of their face. Even Janet and MJ mimed and put show over musical credibility. They both knew they couldnt hold a tune an moonwalk at the same time

If Havana started disrespecting other djes verbally or claiming to be the best mixologist or whatever then i’d raise eyebrows. Nino Brown calls himself the Godfather of Funk, and then there is Australia no.1 Party rocker (my apologies the name genuinely escapes me...)..All of these claims could be argued for and against (I could get very offended by the Godfather thingo - i’ve been djing longer than Nino has and probably have a deeper musical knowledge). But none of this is personally directed and we’re all trying to make a living in a very incestuous and cut throat industry. If the Godfather tag or the Diva on the decks or No.1 female rnb dj gets the gigs the well done....And Havana has succeeded in this environment by simply learning how to dj (not as well as some) and trading on her fantastic presence - and i dont think she’s slagged off too many people to get there.

B-Love

PS: If you looking for a manager give me a shout - together we’ll conquer the world - hehehehe

nino brown, great dj but cmon godfather of funk LOL.

Look you have fair and valid points Bobby (and thank you for the compliments hehe) But in all of that the point that I raised wasn;t really made which is that she doesnt actually DJ at all. Your saying

And Havana has succeeded in this environment by simply learning how to dj (not as well as some) and trading on her fantastic presence

But no she hasnt cos she doesnt actually DJ I mean I wouldnt be offended if she was djing live and was crap made a few mistakes like we all do but to play a pre mixed cd your not a DJ anymore. Yes people mime and I don’t agree with it and personally would’nt want to go to a concert to see someone mime I would just play their cd BUT that is them singing still do u belive Havana is even the one making these pre mixed cd’s? even if she was it aint right and no matter what anyone says I don’t think its right as sef has said many times even tho I still dont think its right hire her for these concerts cos shes putting on a show or watever but leave the clubs for real dj’s I don’t want to go to a club and listen to a pre mixed cd its insulting.

PROMOTERS SHOULD STATE WETHERE ITS A PREMIXED “SHOW” OR LIVE.

I THINK THE REGULATORS WHERE GOING TO BRING A RULE THAT STATED THE ABOVE. BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONTROVERSY WITH BRITNEYS SHOW. THINKING ABOUT IT NOW… NOT ONLY BRITNEY WAS MIMING.. MAYBE HAVANA HAD A PREMIXED CD ON..AS WELL

i have nuthing but love for the club scene and to see someone like her come in made me angry bc she was purely put “garbage” to me when it comes to djing skills and rocking the crowds, she didnt do any of those from what i have seen with my own eyes, hey im open so thats what u get
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she can stay a so called concert dj but plz stay away from the workplace of the real dj
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as long as that happens then l’ll be ok apart from the fact i have to see idiots put up “australia’s number 1 female dj” when clearly she aint in the top 10
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enjoy

TaCo - 31 December 2009 10:08 AM

PROMOTERS SHOULD STATE WETHERE ITS A PREMIXED “SHOW” OR LIVE.

I like that idea a lot!!!!

B-Love

i like it to bc then we will see who the fake djs are
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i guess we know anyways but yeh

I like that idea too but it will never happen. And there’s only one fake dj i know of unless there’s more??

I like the idea cause i honestly believe the regular punters wont care. Everyone who went to Britney knew she lip synced and aside for some press (trying to build a story) no-one who actually went cared. If I was going to see a DMC I’d be pissed but quite frankly if I was going to see a hot performer I;m not sure the technical aspects would be the main reason I was there. I didnt go cause I prefer live artistry but clearly in Britneys case I was both a minority and not missed at all.....

But at least punters would have a choice. Dont wanna see Britney lip synch then vote with your feet and dont go. Same with Havana. I think you’d all be surprised how punters would vote (and i’m not talking about the handful of us the post on grooveon - i’m talking about the 1000s that go out each week across Australia and have promoters lining up to put Havana and others on to draw a crowd. . Hell one of our faves was gonna put Brody Jenner on and God only know what that has to do with music and purist clubbing at all - they were doing it cause it attracts female punters by the horde (does this mean they’ve lost confidence in their DJ lineup to bring in and entertain clients - after all this club some of the best DJes in melb on the bill....) No at all they just believe having a good looking boy in the house woould draw a crowd - I’d be surprised if they didnt get him up on the decks playing a track or 2…

Its all academic in any case - The lady is, like it or not, massively successful and I believe will continue be for at least 2-3 years. I doubt she cares about what we think of her act or claims any more than we care for her musical and technical ability....She has worked at clubs we work at and frequent (including Playground where she got her big break, Groova, Eve, C4Events, Lou Lous, Alumbra the list goes on and on....)

B-Love

she hasnt made it in the club scene in my eyes, i hear more bad comments about her from the randoms in the clubs then any other dj who has played
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sorry i really do not see 1000’s lining up to see her
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must be another scene and not the rnb scene bc from what i have seen of her it hasnt being great when she has played and not once has she made think that shes ok with what shes doing
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if im wrong and she has made it then its fucken sad that someone with no djing skills can make it where she did, just means anyone can be a tryhard dj

When Britney toured and there were complaints that she was miming it was suggested that concerts should be advertised as whether the singer is actually singing or miming, so it’s not that far-fetched to suggest club promoters should be asked to the same with DJs.

And sorry, but if you’re defending Havana Brown for playing pre-mixed CDs… I really don’t know what to say! As a whole, we (ie. DJs) need to stand up and not accept this kind of thing. It’s actually pretty disappointing that more high profile DJs haven’t spoken out publically against it.

I concede - Playing Mix CDS just doesn’t feel right. The whole phenomenon of Havana has, I guess, taken the whole image and show vs ability to a whole new level. I watch with interest to see how in pans out for her and others who may aspire in the scene.

BTW Leon love way you’ve made your- you haven’t bagged or denigrated.

B-Love

leon most other djs are to scared to speak out when it comes to this
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i havent djed for nearly 18 years to see some fake (not a dj) come out with premixed sets and to stay quiet about it
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probably the only good thing to come out of this is that we dont see her in the clubs anymore which is great for all djs and the crowds