like i said man i know off alot of ppl specially from that side of melbourne who do go around bashing innocent ppl and it doesnt matter what race they are
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and really india are calling this country a terrorist country? clueless fobs mate
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what gets me is where the hell were they when 10 indians bashed the crap out of 2 lebo’s on syd back in august last year, i wanna hear there comments on that
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lol idiots i tell ya
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but really radicalman i feel for u having to live in that area bc of the type off ppl around there
The khabaddi/wrestlers were a bunch of grown men that beat up some kids at local epping skatepark over a broken window in the carpark. The men returned to there car and they confronted the children. Kids say f off curry, if it was a group of sumo wrestlers i’m sure comments derogatory to obese people would have followed. But grown men beating up kids? All people saw in the media was the indian victims of racial abuse. The real fight came from the parents who retaliated…
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Right there with ya on the syd harris park stuff sef…
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A poor kid was killed and all the focus is race race race, anybody heard if the killer has been put to justice yet? In 2008/2009 there where 33 THOUSAND assaults in Victoria, justify indians are being targeted when 15% of the population is indian/asian.
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Another issue with most nationalities that were born here or have citizenship and still call themself ‘indian’ etc and not ‘australian’ and that causes seperation. For example Rad who you follow in the cricket? Hehehehe but then again i think we could make a grooveon cricket team that would beat the weak ass aussie cricket team But the racism is there tho, how many indians from australia have made it on the aussie team? Going down that path of that mandela movie with apartheid and rugby…
I think there’s a major distinction to be made in this whole debate. There’s the view that Indians are being targeted as a whole, that there is a widespread conspiracy to target Indians for attacks. That’s what’s being put forward in the media, both here and abroad, and i think that’s bollocks.
But then there’s an alternative view that there are underlying sentiments of racism that have contributed to these incidents occurring. That doesn’t mean that Australia is racist as a whole, or that all Indians are being targeted, or that all Indians are more likely to be victimised. It just means that IN THESE INCIDENTS, the victims Indian heritage contributed to them being victimised, due to racial stereotypes about Indian people.
There’s a big difference.
A 70 year old WASP who spends a lot of time hanging around Grey St carrying around his laptop is mor elikely to get jumped than a 25 year old guy doing the same thing. He is targeted because of his age. In this incident his age was the factor that increased his likelihood of being victimised. This doesnt mean that all old people are going to be targeted.
Let’s put it this way - you’re on a Pakenham line train at say 11pm. There’s you, a 21 year old WASP tradie travelling home from shift work (ok tradies should be in bed by this time, but whatever), and there’s a 21 year old Indian student travelling home from work. There’s an 18 year old punk walking towards both of you with a stubbie and his swagger on - who do you think he’s likely to try and start trouble with first?
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what gets me is where the hell were they when 10 indians bashed the crap out of 2 lebo’s on syd back in august last year, i wanna hear there comments on that
exactly, it’s all reported as whatever is going to sell papers, get people to watch shitty current affairs programs, play on the sympathies of society at the time. all relative in my opinion and not necessarily a fair reflection upon society as a whole.
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what interests me is the level of integration of people travelling overseas to study, work and/or live. I find it hard to believe that it is purely the ‘fault’ of australian society (whilst of course cultural stereotypes and attitudes in this country aren’t outstanding) that groups of other ethnicities become segregated. Could a long term solution be more emphasis on new australians to embrace their new home and culture? The segregation only serves to fuel the fire of ethnicity and race based prejudices, regardless of why it happens, but breaking down those barriers would be a good start imo. From all sides, australian born and non australian born.
It just means that IN THESE INCIDENTS, the victims Indian heritage contributed to them being victimised, due to racial stereotypes about Indian people.
Yeah, and on the news last night in relation to the most recent incident (the one that we are discussing), it said that at this stage the police are saying that the attack was most likely racially motivated. Nobody is saying it wasn’t or that it’s illogical to assume so. The problem I have is when the individual assaults are treated as connected in any way due to the shared ethnicity on the victims, when they are usually completely unrelated incidents committed by completely unrelated perpetrators that (very unfortunately) share nothing in common other than their prejudice.
I think, as racist as people can be, it works both ways, and integration also needs to be focused on. I think the insulated nature of the experience of studying in Australia can be unhealthy. ie. only associating with people from your home country, etc. But what does one have to do to integrate into Australian society? It can take years to ‘integrate’, sometimes much longer than the duration of a uni course.
‘Integration’ is dangerously close to ‘assimilation’ and we know where that can lead lol. But i agree, integration is a key factor. Does failure to integrate mean someone should be subject to racism? Hmm dont think so. Yet it seems to be the case. We all get frustrated by peoples’ failure to behave in a manner that’s socially acceptable in Australia, yet im sure none of us would translate that into phydical violence. But there are people that would.
I’ve had conversations wherein people have launched verbal tirades about Asians, Indians and the Sudanese. Upon me pointing out the obvious fact that i have brown skin and my parents were born overseas, they say “yeh but you’re different’. So because i’m more advanced in my ‘integration’ im not subject to their racial stereotypes…
Man i love this topic, it’s fascinating lol. Shame it takes a tragedy for people to talk about it.
It just means that IN THESE INCIDENTS, the victims Indian heritage contributed to them being victimised, due to racial stereotypes about Indian people.
Yeah, and on the news last night in relation to the most recent incident (the one that we are discussing), it said that at this stage the police are saying that the attack was most likely racially motivated. Nobody is saying it wasn’t or that it’s illogical to assume so. The problem I have is when the individual assaults are treated as connected in any way due to the shared ethnicity on the victims, when they are usually completely unrelated incidents committed by completely unrelated perpetrators that (very unfortunately) share nothing in common other than their prejudice.
Wasnt this thread started in the first place about whether the attack was racially motivated or not. Not whether the media reporting of the attacks is accurate or not?
Yesterday news of another person of Indian origin is killed on there way to work at Hungry Jacks in West Footscray, his mobile and wallet were not stolen. Police are saying its not racially motivated.
Yeh exactly, my posts arent about whether the media reporting of the incident is accurate, im talking about the racial attitudes underlying offending behaviour, which is what i gather Ryan’s original post was all about.
‘Integration’ is dangerously close to ‘assimilation’ and we know where that can lead lol. But i agree, integration is a key factor. Does failure to integrate mean someone should be subject to racism? Hmm dont think so.
No way, completely agreed on this one. It’s not one sided, and one person’s ‘failure’ to integrate can also be seen as a ‘failure’ for that society to embrace its new members. it’s give and take, at the end of the day, and it is all a vicious cycle. which came first, the chicken or the egg? the unwillingness *to ingegrate or* (edit - i’m brainfried) the inability for communities to accept new cultures? neither, really.
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and in regards to whether or not the attack was racially motivated, we can only really know that when the offender is caught and asked. and even then, who knows whether their answer would be truthful. it’s all speculation!
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agreed nick - fascinating topic - and keeping me incredibly preoccupied from doing anything productive at work lol
“Victoria Police admits that Indian is soft target, what makes Ozeeies to feel like this!!”
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That comment kinda pissed me off (from the last forum link you posted - I can’t access the other 2 at work).
Why are ‘aussies’ having the finger pointed at them? do we know who committed this crime? and what IS aussie anyway, white people whose ancestors came over on boats for stealing something in the UK? there comes the segregation again. if you choose to live here, then to some degree you’re australian too. there are plently of violent people trapesing the streets at night that aren’t necessarily australian born, or consider themselves australian (in the sense of who we refer to when we point the finger).
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seriously though in the recent attacks that fall under what we are discussing (directed at indians/ pakistanis etc who are relatively new arrivals to aus), have any of the offenders been identified and charged? and if so, IS there any kind of pattern?
Does it matter who the perpetrator is for it to be racial is another interesting question. I’ve heard people say “let’s wait till we see who did it before we say it’s racist”. Im sorry but you dont have to be white to be racist.
Indians are generalising that they are perceived as soft targets because thats what the media are putting out there. And it’s true the Indians are perceived as soft targets. Indians themselves proclaim that they are generally peaceful (well they are here anyway) and dont cause trouble, yet wonder why they’re getting labelled as soft targets. I dont really get why this dude is asked why “Oziees” think its an illogical conclusion. Im guessing he’s not even in Australia.
EDIT: Oh and im guessing identifying and charging the perpetrator wont happen for months, long after the issue has been swept back under the carpet.
Does it matter who the perpetrator is for it to be racial is another interesting question. I’ve heard people say “let’s wait till we see who did it before we say it’s racist”. Im sorry but you dont have to be white to be racist.
Indians are generalising that they are perceived as soft targets because thats what the media are putting out there. And it’s true the Indians are perceived as soft targets. Indians themselves proclaim that they are generally peaceful (well they are here anyway) and dont cause trouble, yet wonder why they’re getting labelled as soft targets. I dont really get why this dude is asked why “Oziees” think its an illogical conclusion. Im guessing he’s not even in Australia.
EDIT: Oh and im guessing identifying and charging the perpetrator wont happen for months, long after the issue has been swept back under the carpet.
mmm it is an interesting question, but I’m more broaching the topic on the basis that people are generally assuming it was committed by a white aussie male (i mean realistically… whether or not that’s been verbalised)… and that is what is sparking the whole ‘what is wrong with australian people these days’ debate. because if it was committed by another new australian (even Indian), a tourist, or a new arrival, i mean the whole ‘this attacker was racist’ debate becomes relatively redundant. the outcry, from what i am gathering and i could be wrong, is that the anger and backlash from the community regarding this particular incident is referring to our Australian Community being accountable. Again, that’s just the way I feel about the whole thing, being an anglo Australian who was born and raised here.
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Indians being soft targets - well that is a generalisation. People wandering around the Western Suburbs by themselves late at night are targets. I know I sure as shit wouldn’t be caught doing that and I’m a white middle class Australian female. Not that irresponsible actions ever put a victim at fault in their own downfall but it should be taken into account in the future for people to be safer. And this too could be a lack of education to people arriving here. If I went to New York for example I’m the kind of person to accidentally wander down a dark alleyway in a bad area late at night while looking for my hotel… that’s why you do your research and play it smart in unfamiliar territory
But the racism is there tho, how many indians from australia have made it on the aussie team? Going down that path of that mandela movie with apartheid and rugby…
