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Just read the news about Microsofts little Halloween present to its customers who modded their xbox’s.

Anyways i was reading some game forums about this issue and it seems that there are alot of people for or against piracy and many of them ill informed.

Here are the issues.

- Modded Game consoles to be used to play pirated games on for example XBox Live
- Modded game consoles to be used to play pirated games offline
- Modded game consoles to be used to play back ups of original games that customers want to preserve their originals from scratches.
- Modded game consoles to be used by people to add effects or other geeky things.

Then add a few more to the arguement

- People who rent games.
- People who purchase games and then trade it into a game shop or elsewhere to receive a new game at a discounted price.
- People who purchase a game and then when they complete it give it to their brother to play when he finishes it he gives it to a friend to play etc.
- People who download games from file sharing sites.
- People who say game piracy is wrong and will only buy legit games but on the flipside download music and movies and other stuff.

And of course

People who buy a legit game and play it both offline and on Xbox Live the way they are supposed to.

Then we have the music industry and also the film industry piracy issues and also the Computer apps, ebooks and a number of things you can obtain online.

My personal view on this is that piracy is here to stay end of story it will not be eliminated. It is up to the respective industries to find innovative ways to tackle this.

I have alot of issues with the music industry and film industry that justify piracy. But we wont get into that at the moment.

But with respect to the gaming industry.

Games are very expensive these days, over 80 buks a pop and also alot of variety..for example NBA Live 10 vs NBA 2K10 etc, unless ur mega rich there is no way to play every single game that gets released, however some people including myself have all 3 consoles and you can imagine that the cost for a game tripples if you want to purchase all those games, and being a techno geek i am interested in seeing how each game works on different consoles, example tiger woods 10 on xbox and then the motion plus version on wii which is just amazing.

Also spending 80 buks on a game like FIFA 09 when in 6 months FIFA 10 is out...seems silly really.

I can totally understand why people pirate, i dont think it harms the industry any more than people renting a game and not buying the game.

I mean realistically do the game makers create a scene when they sell a game to a customer who has lent it to half a dozen friends and instead of getting 480 dollars from all 6 people buying the game they are only pocketing 80 bucks.

Or how about trade ins...isn’t resellers like JB Hi Fi or EB Games exploting this more, ok a game costs 80 bucks but if u trade in 3 of ur old games we will give u a brand new game for free, but on the flip side we will sell those traded games for a price. Are the game makers making money from the reselling of those games?

Dont get me wrong if there is a game that i totally want i will buy it.. like the forthcoming f1 2010 on ps3 but then again i don’t see a problem with obtaining it on xbox and the 2009 version on wii.

And i don’t play x box live because i personally don’t see the point in playing against Daredevil8909 some unknown dudes online, ive always been a have a few games with a couple of mates over to my joint person.

When you factor in many people being unemployed or on low wages prices of games in particular are pretty steep.

Are people saying if u dont have money u are not allowed to play any of those games just select 1 or 2 lol. please.

What are your thoughts.

btw sorry for the format...i had it formatted properly but groove on didnt post it that way.

i dont blame the ppl down here for modding there 360’s
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think about it the ppl in the US pay around $50 for a brand new game and we pay $110
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these companies like EB Games are fucken ripping us off so yeh why not mod ur 360 and buy 6 games for $50 and get the games 1 month before AUS gets it
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they can never stop ppl downloading music or movies as long as we have access to the internet
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blame the ISP companies for letting ppl download

Also i dont see why film, game, music companies get mad for.

I mean for example i wouldnt have gone to see a movie i obtained for free if that movie was crap. Also 90% of games, movies and music is just crap anyways, so the companies wouldnt make any money off me even if there was no piracy lol.

Example

NBA Live 10

If there was no piracy i doubt i would go and buy it anyways cos its not that great.
If i obtained a free copy i would have only played it once and probably shelved it anyways so in both cases the gaming industry wouldnt have made money off me.

When i just had a PS3 i would have to buy games, and the amount of crap that is just sitting on the shelf is a big waste of money.

At least with obtaining a free copy you can sample the game if its worth the 110 dollar price tag if it is then ok buy it if not then pfft.

i personally think that the artists would struggle witout the ppl who download

Are you guys serious?!

If i spent years developing a game, only to get ripped off by some kid with an internet connection and utorrent, i’d be pissed too. I wouldn’t care if you thought my game/music was shit. Play/Listen to it in the store before you buy it!

I’m not saying i don’t pirate shit, but i’m saying i can completely understand why companies would be pissed. The only thing i disagree with is the price they charge. Like 30 bucks for an album. Get fucked. A dollar a song in my opinion.

like i said, if australian music companies or game companies that bring down the games for us didnt rip ppl off then i would be ok
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i refuse to pay anything over $80 for a game and $25 for a album
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if i really do like what im hearing or playing them i will go out and buy it

stupid groove on...bloody typed a essay to reply to this and something fuked up lol

Poppa-Stylez with all due respect how can you justify pirating some shit but getting mad when someone pirates your shit. To me if a person pirates stuff then one shouldn’t complain.

With respect to the gaming industry. I echo Sefs views on this. Correct me if im wrong im pretty sure that all the gaming companies hire the top developers, 3d designers and game programmers etc and im pretty sure that whether or not a game is bought legit or pirated those people who designed the game are still getting their handsome wages. And there is a record amount of games being developed and released so the industry is not suffering from pirates.

With respect to the music industry. In the old days artists used to get mad at the invention of the phonograph because they thought that that piece of equipment would spell the death of their live performance profession. They were against the very creation of a record industry.

I support artists but i am totally against the recording industry because they are a bunch of crooks. The RIAA is loosing money not the artists. Because artists only get a very tiny percentage of every record sold. An example being Prince, he made more money being an independent artist releasing an album then when he was signed to Warner and released Purple Rain.

Again gone are the days where you get an album that is great from start to finish. In the past i have spent a lot of money on albums which are just gathering dust because of the lack of quality of the artist. (NUTTIN NYCE, MOKENSTEFF LOL)

When you look at most musos, they usually make more money from performing live, or licensing their music for television and movies as opposed to earning from a recording contract or album sales.

When we speak of music, we’re really speaking about our culture. Traditionally, the only recordings that could make it into our hands were ones that appealed to a large enough audience, there was little room for niche genres. So, in affect, our culture has been decided on a cost benefit analysis.

When we pirate music, we are cutting out the middle men. In my opinion, musicians as a whole benefit, or maybe I should say, the profession of being a musician benefits.

With regards to the film industry.

I believe its all a scare tactic from Hollywood. Because you just have to look at Bollywood as an example the biggest film industry in the world. Tell me have you seen an original bollywood film in the shops. Every curry shop you go to there are movies on sale for 4 buks or hire for 1 dollar all pirated copies. In the sub continent i highly doubt no wait i am 100% certain that the majority of the population in india/pakistan can not afford to buy original Bollywood movies or even go to the cinema to watch the movies. However the industry is thriving and the actors, actresses and film producers etc are all making their money so this is a clear indication that piracy does jack shit to an industry.

Look at asian shops all the asian movies/dramas are all pirated the chinese film industry is not struggling.

I support a “Pirate-To-Own” methodology, when something comes out i watch it pirated if i really like it ill make sure i spend my money on an original copy either dvd or blue ray.

Nearly everyone i know downloads the latest episodes of their latest soapie or series from america as it takes ages for it to come to australia.

Also what pisses me off is that film companies release a movie then they release a collectors edition then after a few months they release a uncut edition then a blu ray version. For example i have the Matrix pirated, Matrix on DVD and Matrix collection on Blu Ray...so if the companies made up their mind and release a universal single edition then that would be better.

“Pirate-To-Own” methology works very successfully, i get to watch, play and listen to anything i desire and if i really like something and if it fufills my high standards then i get to use my money and buy the original.

I’m not justifying pirating, or getting mad about pirating… I’m just answering to your statement that you “dont see why film, game, music companies get mad for.”

And just for the record, the wages as a games programmer aren’t all that handsome. The games industry is hard to crack. Lots of competition.

i cant talk im on centrelink benifits lol

lolllllllllllllllllll haha damn curry
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ive downloaded so many blue ray rips only to go out and buy the original when it finally gets released in aus
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for e.g i dled the blue ray IMAX rip of transformers 2 about 2 weeks after the movie came out and i went out today and just bought it from JB hi fi
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if the movie sucks then i wont be spending any cash apart from paying for my internet bill

I got a question guys.

Now i don’t understand this Piracy thing. Now there are warnings n stuff and emails from ISPs for people who download and burn movies, music, games etc.

But then im cruising in Sunshine walk into a computer shop which should remain anonymous and i walk in because i was tipped off from someone anonymous and asked if they sell wii or xbox 360 games, and they go yes go see the dude at the back so i sat down and was given a booklet folder with all the titles and what the prices were and then at the back i can see a whole little Santa burning factory and like basically any game except the one i wanted. (Super Mario Bros wii cannot be burned as of yet the copy protection is a bit tricky lol) but anyways my confusion lies in how come shops like this and also Asian shops and Indian shops selling thousands of burnt copies of Asian DVDs and Indian dvds and then markets like swap meets and laverton, Caribbean gardens etc

How are the police not stopping these places. It seems very hypocritical from the authorities that they are against piracy but seem absolutely clueless to these shops. Or maybe there is a hidden agenda here, surely the cops know of these places but are not doing nothing about it.

Thoughts on this anyone?

There is currently a law suit against ISP iinet in relation to piracy, if they lose there will be an introduction of a black list, banning you from getting an internet connection from any ISP if you are caught downloading pirated material.
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Xbox live should be for free like the ps3. Playing street fighter 4 online against people makes the game worth purchasing! In the chipped ps2 days my friend ‘ahmed’ at the caribbean gardens got shut down…

I dunno, I’d have assumed that cops only investigate reported crimes that have been committed. Therefore, if Universal and Warner go to the authorities and say they’ve had their Intellectual property stolen by so and so, the police will investigate. No report, no investigation.

Only an assumption.

Man, i completely forgot about that iinet lawsuit. I wonder how that’s going.