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You guys all know about the shit that has been happening in Melbourne.

I think the police did cover up the latest Indian bashing because the story broke in India...makes the Vic police look like retards.

Anyways whether people think that there is racial violence in Melbourne or not. One thing is for sure there is a problem.

What are the solutions?

I think there is not proper security on Train Stations.

Like i don’t really understand why all train stations are not manned. Or even a 3rd party security contract at each station. I mean surely we can spend millions on a bloody big wheel that is being repaired and we cant have a manned presence on every train station in Melbourne. I dare say if the people would have a choice they would choose safety over a big wheel.

Safeway, liquor stores all have security guards why don’t train stations have this.

Also i still think harsher penalities should be enforced. I dont know but seeing some of the footage on tv especially that berwick one where the dude jus got a bottle smashed on his head at the station is pretty scary.

Any solutions people?

Just accept this is the way socieity is leading and everyone should carry a baseball bat around.

Or make more awareness- safety in numbers, neighbourhood watch etc.

everyone is a target now, it dont matter wat race u are
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its just something which is happening week after week in our city
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funny how the clubs dont have any part to play in this
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if this keeps happening at the train stations then catch a tram or cab home instead, might cost more but its either that or ending up in hospital
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the government seems to be spending all OUR money on ticket machines when they could be spending it on extra staff and security
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farken tight ass ppl

Maybe we should figure out why people are smashing each others faces in for no reason and try to fix that (reason) first.

xecutioner - 17 September 2009 10:28 PM

if this keeps happening at the train stations then catch a tram or cab home instead, might cost more but its either that or ending up in hospital

lol!

Harsher penalties for sure. It makes me fucking sick when some idiot will stab someone for no apparent reason, get caught, charged with attempted murder, then eventually plead guilty to affray or intentionally causing serious injury, then get given a 2 year suspended sentence / good behaviour bond. WHAT THE FUCK? They could have killed someone. How is that a penalty fitting the crime?
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If this happenned I guarantee people would think twice about stabbing people, glassing them, perpetrating random acts of voilence for thrills or to relieve boredom etc…

100% Phat - 18 September 2009 09:07 AM

Harsher penalties for sure. It makes me fucking sick when some idiot will stab someone for no apparent reason, get caught, charged with attempted murder, then eventually plead guilty to affray or intentionally causing serious injury, then get given a 2 year suspended sentence / good behaviour bond. WHAT THE FUCK? They could have killed someone. How is that a penalty fitting the crime?
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If this happenned I guarantee people would think twice about stabbing people, glassing them, perpetrating random acts of voilence for thrills or to relieve boredom etc…

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Use NYC are a blueprint - 20 years ago this was not a safe place to be (day and night) now its one of the safer cities in the world. Zero tolerence across the board. If you break the law there is no leniency and you know exactly what the penalty is.

Jesus think about the speeding / drink driving campaign. Everyone knows that if you get caught your fucked. Some dont agree that this reduced fatalities (although evidence suggests it does) but message and penalties are clear -If I speed and get booked it cost me $$ and demirit points - If I stab someone I could get no prison time at all and the penalties vary greatly...Go figure (maybe its harder to legislate and there are no revenue benefits for Govt - but now I’m being cynical)

B-Love

What time do the street lights come on?

Poppa-Stylez - 17 September 2009 10:28 PM

Maybe we should figure out why people are smashing each others faces in for no reason and try to fix that (reason) first.

The logic behind it is really limited. There’s a whole breed of kids out there that just do not give a fuck. As some have pointed out, they know the system, they know that they can get away with it, but the more concerning thing is that even when they know that they’re at the end of the line and will get a custodial sentence, they still dont care.

Some of the discussions ive had in the past have gone something like this…

1. I was drunk, i didnt know what i was doing. Do you feel bad about it now that you’re not drunk? Nah
2. He was being a smartass. What did he say? He was looking at me and said what are you looking at, so i smashed him. Do you think that was th right way to deal with the situation? Nah, but ive done it now so oh well. If i didnt do it someone else would have
3. Why did you think it was ok to jump this guy who was minding his own business? I asked him for a ciggie and some change and he wouldnt give me any.
4. You knew this kid that you beat up… what happened to lead to this? He’s a dog, he was talking shit about me. Im not gonna let people say shit about me, he doesnt respect me so why should i respect him.

And so on and so on....

The most concerning theme in these conversations is the fact that violence is immediately considered to be the most appropriate response to deal with a situation, and the fact that there is no sense of accountability to the community and your fellow man. And that’s where the problem lies. The Australian culture of mateship has become so twisted that it equates to sticking up for your mates when they get into a fight, because you dont wanna be called a dog and you want them to stick up for you if you get into trouble.

Its a wider cultural issue that relates to poor values and role modelling by parents with respect to individuals’ rights and freedoms.

The problem therefore with implementing harsher penalties is that it doesnt actually affect the attitude behind the offending. Sure, someone might get locked up for 10 years for slashing someone across the face, but if their attitude is so entrenched that they believe what they did was justified, then no form of punishment is going to change that wider societal issue, in my opinion.

Nick you paint a grim and pessimistic pitcture of our culture - sadly its probably also an accurate one. My zero tolerence views definitely wont address the cultural dilemma. It merely buys us time and transfers the issues from our streets and stations to our rehabilitation centres. When the dickheads causing this is are off our streets I quite frankly dont care if they beat each others brains out behind bars. Its a very short sighted view I know but this once safe city of Melb is being destroyed.

B-Love

Shit yeh Bobby, it’s very sad, and something needs to be done. But it needs to be across the board, with the co-operation of education, health, media, welfare and justice institutions. The problem is getting all of these sectors of governemtn to co-operate…

wheeew...loving the conversation here, ant1 & b-love.

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ant1 - the examples you cited above are excuses i’ve heard from so many people over the years to explain away their thuggery and unwillingness to think.  violence as a reaction or solution to any situation can never be justified.
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i grew up in an area where so called “respect” was your everything.  “respect” covers a lot of gray when someone’s set their mind to being violent.  this shit starts well before they become violent though, like pre-language, pre-walking, so how do you prevent or fix that?

Social cleansing??? Send all criminals to Tasmania?

lao hu - 18 September 2009 02:40 PM

i grew up in an area where so called “respect” was your everything.  “respect” covers a lot of gray when someone’s set their mind to being violent.  this shit starts well before they become violent though, like pre-language, pre-walking, so how do you prevent or fix that?

Well one would suggest that if it’s pre-language and pre-walking, then it’s a) a genetic deficiency (research has shown that that’s unlikely) or b) the influence of environmental and structural issues, which at the pre-language and pre-walking stage is THE FAMILY.

Human behaviour is learnt.... definitions of acceptable and unacceptable behaviour are learnt when our behaviours are denounced or have consequences throughout our lives, not just when we hit our late teens or twenties. The people displaying antisocial behaviour now must have been brought up in a society where violence, excessive consumption of alcohol and so forth were either encouraged or accepted. And i think if you look at the picture it’s not hard to see.

Those causing the bulk of trouble at the moment would be aged 18 - 25? Born in the late 80s - early 90s?

So their parents would have been teens in the late 70s early 80s?  - generally speaking an era of increasing materialism and commercialism; the growth in the corporate mentality of every man for himself; the decline of traditional values such as the nuclear family; the prominence of alcohol in Australian culture… advertising at the football, etc; an increased dependence on welfare. That generation have passed on these experiences to their kids and we’re starting to see the results…

This is pure theorising on my part by the way hehe. How do we fix it? Fuck knows lol

A genetic deficiency? Monoamine oxidase (MAOA)???

Sorry genetic deficiency was probably the wrong term… should have meant biological features… some theories have claimed that one’s biological traits indicate a higher likelihood of offending behaviour. Ridiculous.