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Just wanted to hear the groove on communities views on the recent Melbourne violence. Problems in the CBD and just the general attitude of our youth. What the causes are and if anyone has any solutions to stop the issues.

I believe its our way of life that is a contributing factor to the issues.

I agree with some of Mayor Doyle s possible solutions. A safe family 24 hour cinema is a great idea. But i believe that our laws in Melbourne and Australia are too soft. I mean penalties for senseless bashing’s should be severe. Like for example a person (so happened to be a Jersey Boys performer) getting punched in the face while in Hungry Jacks is just not on. I firmly believe that if there were penalties like 5 years jail or something harsh like that it would make people think twice. Every day i check out the news and see people getting such soft penalties for doing such bad crimes. Like for example that Currie bashing of that Chinese guy in Footscray. A group of guys going and bashing an innocent Asian guy minding his own business and the person (s) who bashed him got of without any penalty. Are there any people with law qualifications on groove on and can someone please explain to me in layman’s terms how so many people committing crimes in Australia get such small punishments if any. Its really confusing.

I believe that the government is not thinking this issue through enough. Curfews, Lockouts etc are not the answer...Education is good but all the programs that have been developed are not doing enough. I really believe that tougher penalties should be enforced. If the laws were stricter then people would think twice at committing cowardly acts.

Another thing i have noticed and im not sure if people agree with this view. But i believe many of the issues wrong with our youth stems from lack of religious education. Now im not a religious person. But over the years Australia has moved from being a christian society to more atheist (i hope people can understand what im trying to say here) Where as i believe everyone is free to practice what they want and believe in something or nothing. I think the diminishing aspect of religious teachings in our society is also a cause of these issues. All religions teach you to be a good person and to respect and be nice to other people. I remember when i was in high school. Some people from the Gideon’s came to speak with us and handed everyone a new testament bible. My parents and family had always taught me to respect peoples beliefs....i watched in horror of my fellow students tearing up their bibles and burning them with their cigarette lighters in the school grounds after the Gideon’s left. I believe this sort of attitude of our youth who have no respect for other peoples faith is being reflected in our society. And its sad.

Like i said i have my own beliefs and read about all religions and also scientific theories and beliefs etc But i know that when i have children i will raise them the way i was raised and that was attending a place of worship and in my case church and learning values and the teachings not necessarily about Jesus but making my chidren understand the values that religion teaches.

i know what you mean dude. having just returning home from a rather ‘tension’ filled night myself. me personally, i dont get involved or none of it but some people need to be tasered like straight up. the police need to just go hey you, you fucked up you know that right? bam! smack em with a taser lol fuck em up, chuck em in a cell over night, take em to court, and send em away if they’re doin some dumb shit. make an excuse out of one, make a massive media frenzy about it and i bet you every other moron that walks around trying to purposely start fights will stop. Police act REAL HARD when the person they suspect is some lil scrawny dude. Ive seen em jump on like 5 foot guys weighing no more than .. mm like 60Kilos and makin a scene in front of everyone, pinning him down and handcuffing in front of the whole club/crowd. But when it comes to bigger guys startin trouble, its like dude wtf, you’re walkin around with a Gun and you’re afraid to do some shit? man fuck em up seriously. And then you hear about the Police shooting some 15 yr old in a car park (wasn’t it?) if the police start being SEVERELY brutal, people will stop it. They only continue cause they get away with it. and i totally agree about the punishments being little to nothing.
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on a side note, a local judge here lost his son to drink driving and now ANYONE that has a hearing with him and the case is related to drink driving, he puts down the harshest sentense possible by law. I guess all the judges need their close ones beat up for no reason for them to be a little strict.
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and its fucking sad.

Introduce a New York style zero tolerence policy - Its worked wonders over there. One of the most dangerous cities in the world has become one of the safest.

B-Love

I think I’m beginning to understand why lots of Melbourne are getting bashed...i just viewed the Australian Idol Melbourne auditions.

I work with a lot of young offenders, and spend a lot of time in the courts so i can try answer the question about the severity of sentencing, but not from a strictly legal perspective.

Firstly, it’s important to remember that the sanctions you read about in the media are often reported on because of their controversial nature. The Magistrate’s and County Courts process hundreds of cases on a daily basis, with offences with varying degrees of severity. There are plenty of appropriate sanctions handed down all day every day, we just dont hear abt them because its not newsworthy.

Sentencing principles and practices focus on the major goals of sentencing
- rehabilitation: giving the offender the opportunity to fix the issues that lead to their offending
- punishment of the offender in a manner that is just
- deterrence of the offender from reoffending as well as deterring the community from offending
- denunciation of the offence, to send a symbolic message to society that such offending will not be tolerated.
- protection of the community.

When sentencing an offender, these different goals will be weighed up, taking a number of things into consideration… the nature of the offence, the offender’s criminal history, any mitigating factors, and so on.

The focus of the adult system compared to the youth justice system is significantly more punitive, whereas the CHildren’s Court, which deals with offenders who offend when they’re under 18, focuses more on rehabilitation. The principles of the Children’s Court is guided by legislation which has been based on research that a more wholistic approach, aiming to address the issues underlying offending by young people is far more effective at reducing crime than simply delivering harsher sentences. With many young people, offending is part of their development, so diversion from entrenched involvement in the criminal justice system is essential. It’s very simple to say young offenders should just be locked up, but that will just lead to them having the negative label of having been in custody, as well as meeting a whole new peer group with whom they can offend. It is far more beneficial to address the issues underlying their offending, before they become entrenched in teh system. This is why the Children’s Court deliver what the media often label Mickey Mouse sentences. Just because they dont get locked up, doesnt mean there isnt a purpose or benefit to be gained. The Children’s Court rarely just release a young person who is at risk of further offending, back into the community without any supports or sanctions to address their offending. Young people must be given the opportunity to complete a number of different types of community based dispositions before being locked up. There are 3 main types of orders, with differing levels of supervision and intervention, that a young person can serve whilst in the community, and being locked up is a last resort, when all else has failed.

The adult system on the other hand, recognises that the offender group is more mature, more capable of making decisions, more developed, and potentially more entrenched in the criminal justice system. Their prospects for rehabilitation are more limited than those of youths, and the sentences are therefore more focused on punishment. The process of moving up the ladder of different sentences that can be received is a lot quicker in the adult system....

Hope this provides some insight into the process behind sentencing… it’s not as clear cut as you would think, and lots of research based policy has been developed to say this is how things should be done because it is what works best.

The US zero tolerance approach has helped in New York, but have a look at their prison population numbers, the impact that has on minority groups, the negative social that such policies can have....

Im tired now hehe.

For more info…
http://www.cyf.vic.gov.au/youth-justice - check the links on the left for info on community supervision and custody
http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/DOJ+Internet/Home/Sentencing/ - check the links on the left for info on community corrections and imprisonment

i blame kings str and queens str for all the trouble
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when ever we drive past those to area’s, all u see is police and lil kants starting shit
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shut down CQ for starters and do something about kings str bc simply waisting ur money putting camera’s every 10m’s aint gonna stop the issue
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funny thing is after 3 or 4am in the morning u really do not see that much police on the streets

I think the problems have escalated since Krispy Kreme came into business..im pretty sure i see a number of blue uniformed people enjoying the doughnuts instead of being out on the streets lol

Ant-1 good response. However can you explain to me that case of the footscray Asian guy walking home from his job as a uni lecturer being bashed and killed by a group of youths who dared each other by going currie bashing..laughed as they kicked a person in the head and left him to die...and then get of scot free in court…

Surely there has to be more than just putting people into youth programs and the stuff u mentioned in ur response.

Also play some Prince at Seven this sat lol

Just had a 2.18am issue burning in my brain.

Ant-1 this is slightly off topic..but i have read a lot about Charles Manson and some of your comments above i disagree with. Charles Manson is a murderer and i am in no way comparing his awful crimes to that of what is happening in Melbourne. But my issue is on ur comments on punishment in a manner that is just. In Charles Mansons case he conspired those crimes and has had little or no emotion towards the murder’s. And he is kept for life in a prison...god knows how much money over the decades is spent on him by taxpayers...and yet he is receiving billions of fan mail from people around the world...so i don’t understand how this is making him a better person when he is obviously laughing inside.

I mean i don’t think Sharon Tate’s family is too impressed with Charles Manson’s celebrity status.

Ok must go to bed now..this stupid Windows 7 is giving me the shits..first not detecting my wireless card and now the media centre is not displaying album cover art on some of my albums.

hey don’t knock win7 get the RTM .. public beta is not a valid OS [/offtopic]

Ok Mr Hasin explain to me this the logic of Microsoft.

Instead of being a backwards compatible OS when you have older hardware you have to install it in compatibility mode and choose your OS. Fine for tek heads and geeks me being one of them. But imagine the can of worms if Uncle Joe needs to configure his computer. Stupid.

Media Center which i do like in Windows 7 again Microsoft fails to get the basics right. First of all you have to re tag all ur mp3s and then link cover art work to the songs. Then load the library in Media center...and then if you wish to add or edit a album it will not update in media center unless you reload your media player library because media center takes its info from media centre...then to make things even more confusing. If your mp3s are not tagged correctly it still plays and displays well in media player but if you load media center songs and stuff are missing when its meant to be getting its information from media player in the first place. This was an issue in Vista and now unfortunately Microsoft’s highly paid R&D;department seem to be not interested in this.

People mite think ok stop winging so u have to rename a few mp3s...the problem is when you have a large collection of albums in the thousands that’s when the issue arises.

But all in all Windows 7 is pretty decent...Media Centre is an improvement over the vista version. What im trying to achieve is a HTPC in my movie room connected to a projector and then all my categorised music to be shared through all my computers including a touch screen monitor in my billiard room to create a jukebox effect...all this is on hold because of stupid microsofts basic errors like mp3 tagging linking.

LOL

lol hey I havent tested MCE since I was in the Longhorn Beta (Vista) .. and for some weird reason I got invited into the Win7 Tech Beta and now I’m getting a free boxed copy of Ultimate .. hmm i’ll give Media Centre a go on the RTM see how it goes.
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lol nice of us to stay on topic.

radicalman wat do u expect from the west-side
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most of the young ppl on that side are all scum and trouble

xecutioner - 10 August 2009 03:08 PM

radicalman wat do u expect from the west-side
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most of the young ppl on that side are all scum and trouble

Sef bro u dont wanna know which high school i went too.. St Albans Tek...that along with Kings Park HS some crazy mofos in both schools lol

ive been to melb three times and not seen any fights even when wanna be hard lads walk up the strett the move out of my way and do nothing one bumped into me and said sorry where is violence u speak

KLASIK.1 - 11 August 2009 08:21 AM

ive been to melb three times and not seen any fights even when wanna be hard lads walk up the strett the move out of my way and do nothing one bumped into me and said sorry where is violence u speak

Wear a turban when u visit next.

Klasik, I met you, and if i just looked at you without knowing you’re a nice guy, i’d apologize if i bumped into you too.